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Post by ursula » Sat Sep 08, 2012 07:09

Hi Charcuterians,
I have a question about the sausage making process.
My smokehouse setup only allows cold smoking.
I notice most of the recipes for smoking sausages are warm or hot smoking.
Then they are cooled etc.
If I were to cold smoke cured sausages once they had been hanged would I be taking any health risks, given that they would only be at 80 degrees until they were finished smoking?
I would then presumably cook them elsewhere to the required IT.
Would I get similar results if I cooked them first, then cooled them and cold-smoked them?
Is this a safer way to proceed?
I'm a bit confused as to how best to go about this.
Best wishes Ursula :???:
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Post by ursula » Sat Sep 08, 2012 07:11

Boy, I really AM confused.
The heading should have read cold smoking sausages, not cold curing.
Need a Bex and a good lie down.
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Post by Chuckwagon » Sat Sep 08, 2012 08:39

Hi Ursula,
You asked,
If I were to cold smoke cured sausages once they had been hanged would I be taking any health risks, given that they would only be at 80 degrees until they were finished smoking?
I would then presumably cook them elsewhere to the required IT.
Would I get similar results if I cooked them first, then cooled them and cold-smoked them?
Is this a safer way to proceed?
Depending upon the type of sausage you are making, and the specific recipe, cooking (if at all) can occur at different times. However, normally a "cured-cooked-smoked" type sausage is "prep-cooked" while being hot-smoked. If a sausage is to be cold-smoked, it should be cooked first to destroy any possible trichinella spiralis, UNLESS it is an "air dried" (also called a "dry-cured") sausage. Note that "semi-dry-cured" sausages are usually cooked then cold-smoked or air dried. Only fully dry-cured sausages may be prepared without cooking as other safeguards (called "hurdles") are used to control the pathogenic bacteria. These are lactic acid, salt, and a bit of proper training and knowledge.
In short, yes... prep cook a sausage before smoking it, unless it is a "dry-cured" sausage like salami or pepperoni etc. To make a "dry-cured" sausage, study "Project A" on this forum and read Stan Marianski's book called, "The Art Of Making Fermented Sausages".

Still confused? See if this helps:

The Types Of Sausages
by WagonWreck Chucky BrokeSpoke

Basically, there are only four types of sausages:

Type (1.) Fresh Sausage -"Fresh" sausage (meaning not cured), must be refrigerated and eaten within three days, or frozen for use later. Ol` timers know there is no such thing as a "secret recipe". There is however, "simply great sausage" - made using only salt, pepper, and only one or two other "signature ingredients". Add all the seasonings you wish; stuff it inside casings or mold it into patties; but use it within three days or freeze it, as it is not cured and not smoked. Refrigerate it at 38°F (3°C). This is the famous "breakfast" type sausage containing pork and sage. Other favorites include fresh Italian and fresh kielbasa, the well-known Polish sausage.
Important:
Fresh sausage is never smoked as the process cuts off oxygen, raising the risk of obligate anaerobic and microaerophile bacterial development, including clostridium botulinum!

Type (2.) Cured, Cooked, And Smoked Sausage - This sausage is cured using sodium nitrite to destroy the toxin secretions produced by obligate anaerobic clostridium botulinum bacteria, as the oxygen is cut off when the meat is placed inside casings, and again as smoke replaces oxygen inside the smokehouse. Botulism, a potentially fatal illness causing flaccid paralysis, is the effect of food poisoning caused by clostridium botulinum. In 1925, the American Meat Institute introduced the use of sodium nitrite to America`s meat products. Since that time, there has not been a single case of food poisoning in this country due to botulism in commercially prepared cured meats. Sodium nitrite has also been found to prevent the growth of Listeria monocytogenes - the bacteria responsible for Listeriosis, a very virulent disease that can potentially result in the development of meningitis in newborns.

Following drying, cured-cooked-smoked sausages are prep-cooked (and smoked if desired) to destroy any possible trichinella spiralis and retain moisture. Finish cooking them on the grill or in a pan. These are the famous Bratwurst, Bockwurst, Knockwurst, and emulsified sausages known as hot dogs or "wieners". Also included in the emulsified category are bierwurst, Vienna sausage, and bologna. Cooked Italian mortadella, salami, Chinese "lop chong", Cajun boudin (blood) sausage, smoked Polish kielbasa, and German Berliner, are other popular favorites.

Type (3.) Semi-Dry Cured Sausage - These are tangy, fermented, cured, sausages served on a fancy plate at a party or simply sliced with a pocketknife while you`re in the saddle. They are cured with nitrite (Cure #1), cooked during preparation, dried (yielding about 75%), but not usually further cooked before serving them. (An exception is pepperoni on pizza). Favorites include varieties of summer sausage, landjaeger, kabanosy, and "slim jims".

Type (4.) Dry Cured Sausage - This is the only sausage that is not cooked during its preparation, and not usually cooked before serving or eating. Special precautions are taken with pork sausage in this category, as the destruction of possible trichinella spiralis becomes necessary. This is the only type sausage safe to eat without having been refrigerated and it is made with Cure #2 containing nitrate. Favorites include salamis from virtually every country, dry-cured Mexican chorizo, Italian sopressata, pepperoni, and other fermented sausages. A hygrometer, thermometer, fermentation chamber, and curing chamber, are necessary to produce dry cured sausages as well as a reasonable amount of sausage-making experience and a practical knowledge of the dry-curing procedure and a basic understanding of how bacteria affect the production of this type sausage.

Hope this helps.
Best Wishes,
Chuckwagon
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Post by ursula » Sat Sep 08, 2012 09:25

Thank you so much Chuckwagon!
I finally get it!
Have just purchased a vertical stuffer and am sourcing ingredients for sausage making. Now I understand what the procedures are I feel much more confident that I won't be up on charges for killing neighbours, friends and family.
Have been folllowing Project B with great interest, will look forward to using information learnt when I am ready to start.
Thanks again!
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Post by Gulyás » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:24

Hi ursula.

Maybe people living hundreds of years ago got lucky. They are the ones who did not hear about electricity, hygrometer, thermometer, fermentation chamber, and curing chamber, electric meat grinder, etc.......they just had a fruit seller and winter time...... I still remember when I was like 4 years old, and I was "helping" to harvest ice from the river. At age 5 I was helping to hold the pig's tail.
I guess we are lucky too, otherwise maybe we would not be here today.

This is one of the dry sausages, the reason I put the picture in here, is that you know what to stay away from, because it was made in a modern factory, therefore it's junk. Make your own, which will be far better. It's called gyulai kolbász, (dry hungarian sausage)

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And this is the same thing, made in a different place......http://www.hungaro.de/produkt_241_13_1- ... 7691316b56

And this is a picture of fresh baked/or grilled sausages.

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Post by Baconologist » Sat Sep 08, 2012 14:54

You'll get better smoke penetration and better flavor, IMHO, if you cold smoke and then cook.
I do it that way all the time, but the sausage must be cured with nitrite, of course.
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Post by redzed » Sat Sep 08, 2012 16:44

And cold smking at 80F is a bit high. Try to do it with 72 as your upper limit. Last week I cold smoked a batch of paprika sausage with a temp range of 65-70. Cooked them on the grill and it was a big hit. I smoked it for 9 hours through the night.
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Post by ursula » Sun Sep 09, 2012 06:02

Thanks everyone!
I am beginning to see the light.
(but I must stop looking at this site between meals!)
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Post by atcNick » Sun Sep 09, 2012 13:35

Baconologist wrote:You'll get better smoke penetration and better flavor, IMHO, if you cold smoke and then cook.
I do it that way all the time, but the sausage must be cured with nitrite, of course.
I would agree with that. I don't think precooked sausage would take on much smoke flavor except on the outside

I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I'm planning on building a small smokehouse soon for cold smoking. But I also want the option for warm/hot smoking so I can finish sausages.

I'm thinking I will have 2 separate fire pits, one closer to the smokehouse for hot smoking, one further away for cold smoking.
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Post by JerBear » Mon Sep 10, 2012 16:22

Baconologist wrote:You'll get better smoke penetration and better flavor, IMHO, if you cold smoke and then cook.
This is also my preferred method, also with nitrite.
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Post by crustyo44 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 20:53

I fully agree with JerBear, cold smoking first and then cooking the sausages after. Smoke penetration, I find, is better this way.
Better still is to put the smoked sausages in a plastic bag in the fridge for a couple of days and then cook them.
You will experience a more pronounced smoke flavour if this is what you are after.
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