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Starting ph of 6.2 has me worried
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 03:36
by Saltedtyme30
Just finished my batch and packed it up. Checked ph before chamber. 6.22 and 6.19 on the other meter. Here`s the recipe bob sent the link sausages and meats. Meats Metric US
Pork, lean 700 g 1.54 lb
Back fat 300 g 0.66 lb
Ingredients per 1000g (1 kg) of meat
Salt 28 g 5 tsp
Cure #2 2.5 g 1/2 tsp
Pepper 4.0 g 2 tsp
Nutmeg 1.0 g 1/2 tsp
Dextrose 3.0 g 1/2 tsp
Sugar 2.0 g 1/2 tsp
T-SPX culture 0.12 g use scale
6.2 now in chamber
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 04:35
by carlv123
I think your ok. It may need a bit of extra time (6 to 12 hours) but you should be able to get the drop. When I ferment I like to open the chamber 2 times a day to change the air. You'll know by the smell and the color if it's right.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 05:22
by Saltedtyme30
carlv123 wrote:I think your ok. It may need a bit of extra time (6 to 12 hours) but you should be able to get the drop. When I ferment I like to open the chamber 2 times a day to change the air. You'll know by the smell and the color if it's right.
Thanks I did a small batch. But the meat was 6.2 I heard it could have been frozen and that can cause high ph. I will check tomm again and see where I`m at. I have up to 70 hrs with tspx
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 14:53
by redzed
A reading of 6.2 is a matter of concern. High pH meat has high water retaining properties and is susceptible to bacterial spoilage. It makes a good cooked sausage since it retains more water and the product is therefore juicier. But not recommended for fresh and dry cured sausages.
But are you sure your readings are correct? Frankly, I would not trust readings using an elecrode designed to test liquids, but rather a properly calibrated meter that is function specific, that is with an electrode made for testing meat.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 17:00
by Bob K
redzed wrote:Frankly, I would not trust readings using an elecrode designed to test liquids, but rather a properly calibrated meter that is function specific, that is with an electrode made for testing meat.
Well when I purchased a meat probe I was able to test a mince with the probe vs a bulb with a slurry from the same batch. Same meter used for both. Consistently within .01...so I would have to disagree. However not making a slurry and just testing the meat block is a definite plus.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 17:30
by Saltedtyme30
redzed wrote:A reading of 6.2 is a matter of concern. High pH meat has high water retaining properties and is susceptible to bacterial spoilage. It makes a good cooked sausage since it retains more water and the product is therefore juicier. But not recommended for fresh and dry cured sausages.
But are you sure your readings are correct? Frankly, I would not trust readings using an elecrode designed to test liquids, but rather a properly calibrated meter that is function specific, that is with an electrode made for testing meat.
I ordered the probe but not here yet. A lot of people like the Milwaukee 102 but I don`t like a bulb. They sent me two on accident from amazon and calibration isn`t the best but i used 3 and all said same. I heard previously frozen meat can have a higher ph or vacuum sealed. I didn`t get my meat from the butcher plant sunshine provisions in Florida they open tomorrow but I wanted t do a small batch and see if my temps held and everything was good 1000 grams of meat is two 8 inch links and another 150 stuck in the hopper lol but this is the reason why I did a small batch is this was 20 kg I would have drove my truck into the nearest lake
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 17:42
by redzed
Bob K wrote:redzed wrote:Frankly, I would not trust readings using an elecrode designed to test liquids, but rather a properly calibrated meter that is function specific, that is with an electrode made for testing meat.
Well when I purchased a meat probe I was able to test a mince with the probe vs a bulb with a slurry from the same batch. Same meter used for both. Consistently within .01...so I would have to disagree. However not making a slurry and just testing the meat block is a definite plus.
Using an electrode designed for liquids to test meat is like using down hill skis for cross country skiing.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 17:53
by Saltedtyme30
redzed wrote:Bob K wrote:redzed wrote:Frankly, I would not trust readings using an elecrode designed to test liquids, but rather a properly calibrated meter that is function specific, that is with an electrode made for testing meat.
Well when I purchased a meat probe I was able to test a mince with the probe vs a bulb with a slurry from the same batch. Same meter used for both. Consistently within .01...so I would have to disagree. However not making a slurry and just testing the meat block is a definite plus.
Using an electrode designed for liquids to test meat is like using down hill skis for cross country skiing.
Lolol
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 18:22
by Bob K
Just FYI the amount .12 gram per kilo in those recipes is the amount of T-SPX the whole envelope is capable of fermenting, not a practical amount for home sized batches. to assure a viable amount of culture. .022% is a more reliable amount to add.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 18:44
by Butterbean
carlv123 wrote:I think your ok. It may need a bit of extra time (6 to 12 hours) but you should be able to get the drop. When I ferment I like to open the chamber 2 times a day to change the air. You'll know by the smell and the color if it's right.
I'm inclined to think it won't take more time since he used 12 grams of starter rather than the 0.12 grams. Not disagreeing with you just voicing my thought since I've been busy wine making lately and ended up pitching two packs of yeast in one vessel and one in another containing "supposedly" the same must and the one with the double dose has had a significantly higher specific gravity drop than the other.
Don't know if it is supposed to happen or not (I have been known to screw up) but if it is it would make sense that adding more starter to meat would have a quicker effect on the pH drop. Any thoughts on this?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 19:09
by Saltedtyme30
Bob K wrote:Just FYI the amount .12 gram per kilo in those recipes is the amount of T-SPX the whole envelope is capable of fermenting, not a practical amount for home sized batches. to assure a viable amount of culture. .022% is a more reliable amount to add.
How do you even get that on a scale ? .022? I have a gram scale and a big one
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 19:11
by Saltedtyme30
Butterbean wrote:carlv123 wrote:I think your ok. It may need a bit of extra time (6 to 12 hours) but you should be able to get the drop. When I ferment I like to open the chamber 2 times a day to change the air. You'll know by the smell and the color if it's right.
I'm inclined to think it won't take more time since he used 12 grams of starter rather than the 0.12 grams. Not disagreeing with you just voicing my thought since I've been busy wine making lately and ended up pitching two packs of yeast in one vessel and one in another containing "supposedly" the same must and the one with the double dose has had a significantly higher specific gravity drop than the other.
Don't know if it is supposed to happen or not (I have been known to screw up) but if it is it would make sense that adding more starter to meat would have a quicker effect on the pH drop. Any thoughts on this?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 19:58
by Bob K
Saltedtyme30 wrote:
Bob K wrote:
Just FYI the amount .12 gram per kilo in those recipes is the amount of T-SPX the whole envelope is capable of fermenting, not a practical amount for home sized batches. to assure a viable amount of culture. .022% is a more reliable amount to add.
How do you even get that on a scale ? .022? I have a gram scale and a big one
That's % (percent) not weight
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 21:25
by Saltedtyme30
Bob K wrote:Saltedtyme30 wrote:
Bob K wrote:
Just FYI the amount .12 gram per kilo in those recipes is the amount of T-SPX the whole envelope is capable of fermenting, not a practical amount for home sized batches. to assure a viable amount of culture. .022% is a more reliable amount to add.
How do you even get that on a scale ? .022? I have a gram scale and a big one
That's % (percent) not weight
16 hrs in. Ph is 5.41. Seems it dropped quick !